Guest Blog: John Brooks

Posted on Nov 24th, 2009 by Tony Gentilcore

I’m switching gears a little bit today, and doing something completely different.  Today I have a guest blog from John Brooks.  Hailing from the Pacific Northwest (and undoubtedly a Pearl Jam fan), John’s a fellow colleague/muscle nerd who not only trains rowers and rugby players, but a handful of MMA fighters as well.

John’s always been supportive of my stuff (articles, blog, etc), and I’ve had the pleasure of exchanging numerous e-mails with him over the past two years or so.  What’s more, he actually made a cameo appearance at CP last year when his wife competed in the Head of the Charles Regatta here in Boston.

Long story short, John sent me an e-mail a few weeks ago after the release of Functional Strength Coach 3.0, and the subsequent video that followed asking me why so many people were getting their panties all up in a bunch over the fact that Mike Boyle was not only “dissing” the squat, but hinting that he may very well eliminate them from his programming all together.

No Squatting

John made a rather convincing argument in his original e-mail:

“……..those guys seem wrong, but their arguments are damn compelling [regarding Boyle].  However, what if they’re right for the general population?  Or, more accurately, why is it that we tell every unfit woman with screwed up movement patterns who wants to look like [American triathlete] Lokelani McMichael that she needs to get fit before she can go run 20 miles a week, yet most muscle heads who want to look like Thiago Alves, we have no issues telling them to squat without similar caveats?”

First and foremost, this is Lokelani McMichael:

Lokelani McMichael

Secondly, how in the hell have I gone this long without including a picture of her in my blog?

Third, and most importantly, that was a damn good question raised by John.  To that end, I asked John if he’d be interested in writing down some of thoughts on the matter.  And this is what he came up with:

Recently there has been a lot of discussion about the squat. Mike Boyle, one of the most respected coaches in the country, caused an uproar with a video (linked above) that says he almost never squats his athletes (note: he did say almost). Testosterone Magazine recently published a few articles proposing hip extension exercises to strengthen the posterior chain, ostensibly to replace the squat.

On the other side of the fence is Mark Rippetoe who so eloquently declared: “you have to squat or you’re a pussy.”  Or, a bit less extreme would be Coach Dan John: “Squats can do more for total mass and body strength than probably all other lifts combined.” Can heavy barbell squats turn one into a life-taker and heart-breaker, or are they dumb, dangerous, and unnecessary?

Thinking Monkey

What Coach Boyle says in the video makes a lot of sense; I have a bum SI joint that agrees with him: squatting incorrectly hurts, but never squat? It just feels… wrong. Every hypertrophied fiber in my body says that you have to squat to get strong.  So what’s the truth?

The truth is they’re all right, and they’re all wrong. They’re all guilty of the fallacy of accident (ignoring exceptions to a generalization). The problem with the training world is that there are always exceptions. If done correctly the heavy back squat really is the muscle building panacea that Coach John and Rip say it is. However, most people lack the mobility and fundamental body awareness to squat correctly, and thus for them, it is dangerous and should be avoided.

Some guy from the internet once wrote: “most (read: not all) people shouldn’t be running,” and summarized:

“you need to be in shape to run.  In doing so, your body will be able to handle the stress MUCH more efficiently and you will be less prone to all of those nagging injuries that come with being a runner.”

If we keep this logic in mind; if every unfit woman with screwed up movement patterns who wants to look like Lokelani McMichael needs to get fit before she can go run 20 miles a week, then don’t most muscleheads who want to look like Ivan Stoitsov need to follow similar caveats before they put a heavy barbell on their back and squat?

Without proper movement patterns and the stability to move under load you will end up squatting for a while, getting hurt, taking time off, healing, squatting some more… over and over…so on and so forth; just like runners who do the same thing.  Everyone thinks for some reason, “this time is going to be different. This time I’m going to run\squat and I won’t get hurt.”

To make this more difficult, a good many trainers have never dealt with these issues themselves. They see it as a ‘technique issue.’ Their response to people who can’t safely reach full depth is to say “go lower, keep your arch,” and continually keep trying to jam square pegs into round holes because they dogmatically believe everyone has to squat.

So what do we do?  We have to assess and progress athletes from where they are to the point where they can get the muscle building benefits without injury.  Depending on injury history some trainees may never be able to free squat at all.   Some will always have to squat to a box.  Some may never get past unilateral loading and pull-throughs.

The key is to look, find out what is causing their “bad form” and fix it.  Get their hips open and glutes active (since you’re reading this blog you probably have a few good ideas about how to do this).  What’s more, you should also emphasize core endurance (which is key in preventing back injuries), as well as strengthen the posterior chain, etc.

Get the athlete in shape.  Then squat.  The key is that no exercise is for everyone, and few exercises are for no one.  These fundamental arguments are meaningless until we apply them to individual trainees.

NOTE: to contact John, you can visit his website HERE, or e-mail him at jbzero@msn.com

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Comments ( 2 )

Tony,

What is your take on Mark Young’s recent “Pig Spine” video series. His contention is that issues like end-plate fractures are very real and that compression, despite being handled better than rotation, specifically lumbar rotation) can still be a problem when in “neutral” spine with natural lordosis maintained, particularly if loading is significant. Although he also seemed to indicate that lower loads for more reps may be as much or more of an issue than higher loads for fewer reps (in a way very similar to the argument against repeated spinal flexion versus far less frequent spinal flexion).

I understand that many main goals may not have squatting a ton (either front or back squat) as the primary goal, but I can’t think of many goals that wouldn’t be assisted in some manner by becoming increasingly proficient at all types of lunge and squatting variations. As such, I can’t see a compelling reason to toss out back (or at least specialty bar “back” squats) and front squats provided the person doesn’t already have a major disc issue in their past and can demonstrate certain mobility and stability requirements. So the questions become

(a) is it a case of back squats, front squats, or anything causing spinal compression (deadlifts tend to skate by in all these arguments, but I am guessing the impact on the spine is still similar to what is seen with squats) frequently and/or to a high degree going to result in issues for many even with neutral spine (along the lines of what Mark said might be a risk even with “neutral” positioning) or would a structurally well-balanced athlete who has optimal technique and is judiciously using de-loads, full weeks off (where possible), and plenty of single leg work as a supplement (and possibly even belt squats as a way to load up while de-loading the spine….I will ask about these again below) be able to squat throughout a lifetime without developing problems?

(b) while technique needs many reps to be grooved and lifting world records may not be possible if not performing a lift regularly, can fairly moderate use of a lift but with many de-loading periods or periods where lower body work comes from sources with far lass compression and where the lower back is also not the major limiter still result in fairly impressive back squat numbers over time? (Specificity may rule if trying to break world records, but I would imagine that appreciable back and/or front squat numbers could be achieved without having to regularly perform the back or front squat (using other options in their stead to fill in those gaps)

Also, I have seen coach Boyle comment on his blog that he’s not so keen on belt squats and that the belt places a lot of stress on the hips, but what’s your take on the value of these if a machine is available or you’re feeling motivated enough to jerry rig a belt squat set-up?

Frank added these pithy words on Nov 24th, 2009 at 1:55 pm |

Wow this was a great Post, and a great response from Frank, I like the way he cited Mark Young, a canadian boy in his argument. It seems that JB (not the Canadian nutrition educator) has some good points, and the take home one is that we need to assess our athletes (or regular folks) ( a nice plug for “assess and correct” here would probably be beneficial to the readers) and program accordingly. This post could have easily been written about overhead pressing. Both Rippetoe and Dan John would wholeheartedly agree that it’s a foundational movement. Boyle would disagree and opt for a safer Incline alternative( I’m betting it’d be a tall kneeling “something or other”. You could make the same argument with the bench. Oh the dreaded bench! It’s wrecking my athletes shoulders. But try telling Scott Mendy that he shouldn’t bench. The man was made for it, and he gets a fucken concussion every time he gets under 1000 lbs. His CNS is probably fried. I bet he’s wishing that somebody had told him that the bench wasn’t safe for his shoulders. Granted he is a large (emphasis on the word large) exception, But a cost benefit analysis gives you the answers you’re looking for. Program appropriate movements patterns for your athletes and client based on a thorough analysis of what they need the pattern for. Why are you doing what you’re doing, and what are the drawbacks and benefits in doing it.

A couple points: Different from Rear foot elevated split squats (RFESS) single leg squats probably don’t give enough of an isometric lat load, which Mcgill sites as a major stabilizer of the spine.

Is Boyle getting his athletes legs strong by doing single leg alternatives or is it because of all the sled dragging and pushing?

Readers should go read Nate Green’s interview of Martin Rooney and I think they’ll get some good perspectives, and for god sakes go buy Dan JOhn’s book or watch his utah seminar series.

Tim added these pithy words on Nov 24th, 2009 at 9:03 pm |

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