Tony Gentilcore

Because heavy things won't lift themselves

Guess What? You’re Not an Elite Athlete!

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In light of some recent articles and blog posts written by my buddy, Bret Contreras, I just needed to take a few moments and vent a little bit.  BRB

Ahhhhhhhhh…….expletive, expletive, expletive, *punches hole in wall,* expletive, *flips over coffee table,* expletive expletive, *drop kicks a puppy,* and expletive.

There I feel better now.

So, for those wondering what’s got me so fired up, Bret wrote an article on t-nation a few weeks ago titled Max Out on Squats – you can click HERE to read it – where the basic jist was this: 

John Broz lived with an elite Bulgarian Olympic lifter for three years.  Said Olympic lifter (Antonio Krastev, to be precise) went all Yoda on John and taught him everything he knows about being strong as hell.  It works, no question.  John now runs a gym in Las Vegas and teaches this same system to all of his athletes.  They train everyday, sometimes twice a day, six days a week, eventually working up to 13 training sessions per week when all is said and done. 

As Bret mentioned in the article:

The Broz Olympic Method involves only six exercises: the snatch, clean & jerk, power snatch, power clean, back squat, and front squat. Each of the 13 sessions includes heavy squatting, either back squats or front squats. Usually three lifts are performed each session, and between 30-50 total reps (including warm ups) are performed for each lift.

In addition, Bret noted:

Every session involves a specific warm-up for several minutes either squatting with an unloaded barbell or a barbell loaded up to 50 kg depending on the lifter, followed by working up to a 1-rep maximum on every lift for the session.

All of this I have no issues with.  In fact, I thought the article was brilliant and had a lot of great and innovative things to say.  But, almost inevitably, within 24-48 hours of the article going live on t-nation, I received a swarm of emails from random dudes asking me if they thought it would be a good idea if “they too!!!” should train everyday?

Excuse me while I go throw an ax into my face.

NEWSFLASH:  you’re not an elite athlete!!!!!!! 

Unless you have 4-6 hours per day to train, and that’s literally all you do, it’s probably not going to be a good fit.

Lets be real:  for many (not all), you read an awesome article, and right then and there, decided it was “exactly what you needed.”   In theory, it sounds amazing.  But here’s the thing – you move like shit.  The last time you lifted anything remotely explosively was back when Patrick Swayze was rocking stone washed jeans.  And, the last time I checked, you sit in front of a computer for 8-9 hours per day, and actually work for a living.   You have the time for this when?

Oh yeah, and lets not forget that any time you lift something heavy above your head, your shoulder hates you; you have not one, but two bum knees which makes squatting consistently problematic; and your hips are tighter than a camel’s ass in a sandstorm.

And you thought this was a good idea because……………….. you read it on the interwebz???????

Listen, I get it.  You like to exercise.  What’s more, who am I to say that people shouldn’t be enthusiastic to train more often and actually move around a bit more?  I encourage that, wholeheartedly!

But come on fellas – lets not put the cart before the horse. 

This whole thing is analogous to what happened a few years ago when the minimalist shoe training trend hit its peak (and stll going strong).  People read Born to Run (awesome book, by the way) and decided that they’d go out the next day and run barefoot without actually taking the proper time (and effort) to work up to it. 

End result?  A lot of physical therapists were all of a sudden able to make advance payments on their mortgages and driving around in Beemers.  Holla!

In much the same way, this is what I find is going to happen to many who emailed me asking me if they should start training everyday.  Actually, scratch that.  I’m not opposed to people training everyday.  I mean, there’s definitely a way to do it right and I think that’s what most people should strive for.

What I don’t agree with, and think is borderline dangerous is when guys read an article about ELITE athletes whose sole job is to train – and who have been doing this type of training FOR YEARS -  and then run out to their local globo gym, try to be a hero, and hurt themselves the third day in.

Trust me -  it will happen.

Honestly, unless you’re an Olympic athlete – or training to be a competitive weightlifter; or somehow have seven hours to spare everyday – lets step away from the “that’s not such a great idea,” take a more objective look at what you just read, and come back to reality.

I swear, I’m going to do a social experiment someday, write an article detailing how running over your right arm with a car repeatedly will somehow increase testosterone levels by 317%, and see how many people email me asking for more info.

That said, Bret did follow up his article with a more detailed (and realistic) blog post on daily training and how he would structure a program for the regular Joe’s out there reading. It’s a fantastic read and I HIGHLY suggest you check it out if training daily is something you’re interested in.

In the end, I’m not saying you shoudn’t want to push yourself; rather, all I’m saying is that, sometimes, you just need to be a little more realistic with expectations and learn how to digest the information you read and see who it applies to YOU and your current goals.

Sorry for the rant, but it’s just something I had to get off my chest.  Seriously, I feel better now.

PS: 

On an a side, for those who have balked at The Super Hero Workout – the CP staff is finishing up the first week and we’re LOVING it.  I know I said this the other day, but it’s really been a long time since I’ve had this much fun training.  We’re definitely getting after it, and the change of pace has been a welcome addition to our weekly training sessions.

Thing is, though, the introductory price of $47 ends THIS SATURDAY (7/23) at midnight.  After that, the price bumps up to $87.  Just a heads up…….in case you’re dragging your heels.

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  • http://jbzero.blogspot.com JB

    The coach of the Greek weightlifting team said “It takes 10 years of focused dedicated training just to be able to train the way we do.”

    People need to learn to filter principles and ideas out of methods, instead of just jumping from method to method.

    Great post.

  • Sean

    Great stuff! Thank you for this!

  • http://www.kinmotion.ca Patrick

    Ha…best part of the article for me the the reference to the physiotherapist paying off their mortgages and beemers!

    But in all honesty…good game on the rant!

  • http://www.BretContreras.com Bret Contreras

    Good stuff Tony. Folks who don't move properly should indeed be doing daily training – mobility and stability work! If and when they start moving properly they could begin performing conditioning work in the form of heavier and more explosive lifting on a daily basis. But until they distribute loads efficiently throughout their bodies, heavy and explosive training on a daily basis is recipe for disaster. And they need to progress gradually into daily training. Something I heard from Matt Perryman: The first rule of recovery is to not get so beat up in the first place.

  • http://www.mikearonefitness.com Mike Arone

    Great points Tony—As much of a fitness fanatic I am, I know that I can train twice a day like I did when I was a college athlete…

    My training and life then soley revolved around wrestling, so everything I did from the moment I woke up until I went to sleep revolved around it. My nutrtion, rest, etc etc all catered to making sure I was healthy and able enough to train for a second or third session. It was my full-time job.

    Lastly—I find that drop-kicking kittens is a much more effective way to release anger and increase test levels—I think Harvard did a study on it afew years ago.

  • http://www.mikearonefitness.com Mike Arone

    *CAN'T train twice a day (typo)

  • R Smith

    Love it when you get fired up, Tony.

    RS

  • http://trainingtruth.blogspot.com Thomo

    Tony your article illustrates the truism, there are no stupid questions just lots of inquisitive idiots!!

  • http://trainingtruth.blogspot.com Thomo

    Ohh meant to add…fantastic post as usual!!!

  • http://dana.dccrossfit.com/ Dana

    >>you have not one, but two bum knees which makes squatting consistently problematic

    Ouch!

    Good wakeup call. I *do* train to lift competitively, but it's in between a full time job and a freelance writing career, both of which involve a LOT of sitting. I get in as many hours as I can, but have to be realistic. Doesn't mean I don't dream of quitting work to train hours a day ;)

  • Kasey A

    GREAT rant, Tony. And excellent followup comment from Mr. Contreras too.. and moving like shit is an epidemic in commercial gyms. Thanks to both of you for continually providing fantastic content and common sense.

  • http://www.SupersoldierProgram.com Stephane R

    I could really feel the emotion in your writing!

    Nice article though as, in the past, I was one of those guys who switched programs every two minutes, so it's good to clear it up.

  • Tim Enfield

    @ Bret. Broz alludes ( in perhaps another interview) that he trains with such high frequency because he believes it decreases the incidence of injuries in his athletes? (At least as it concerns the sport of Weightlifting) he seems to believe that when athletes rest they are more susceptible to injury? Can you comment on that?

    Also, what should be noted for the readers is that the athletes that train the olympic lifts train only the concentric range, which minimizes the amount of damage to the muscle fibers and decreases the need for recovery, even if it is a compound power movement.

    As for the Squats and other accessory lifts, weightlifters lift in a range specific to their sport practically all the time, in relationship to their clean and jerk maxes, they are adapted to the repetition range as well as intensity even if it is close to their MVCs. Put them in a range over 6 and watch the need for recovery skyrocket.

    Great Post Tony.

  • http://messerfit.com Collin Messer

    I feel that Wendler really summed the article up well in this live spill on T-Nation.

    http://www.t-nation.com/strength-training-topics/1246

    I think that we can all agree that there are some great ideas and concepts to take away from the article, but just trying to go out and mimic Broz's methods is not only ineffective for most everyone, but stupid also.

  • http://www.heyjoob.com Juliet

    HAHA I love the internet.

    While I think there are actually a lot of nifty things to try that you can find on the internet (hell, I steal a lot of new ideas from your blog all the time) but it ought to be with discretion. Even amongst elite athletes, training every day is not something they all do.

  • Derrick

    Counter rant from one of the regular Joe's who read the article, and “ran out and tried to be a hero” and implement the ideas presented: (the early poll results are in, and it's “Amazing” in a landslide)

    Tony, I'm not sure why you are so fired up about people wanting to aggressively raise their game.

    If your movement patterns suck, then work on them! I believe it says in the article, that Broz starts newbies out with broomsticks, squatting every day. To quote another blog: Strength work and technique work are not mutually exclusive.

    There is no absolutely safe way to get radical strength and conditioning results. Maybe b/c you and Boyle, etc. are training pro athletes, you are hyper aware of risk, and how it affects the bottom line, but come on, strength training is not for the timid.

    So instead of throwing an axe in your face in frustration, you could present a protocol to your inquiring minds that regulates intensity and volume, includes soft tissue and mobility work, and still allows them to train every day. You said yourself there's a right way to do it. So let's bridge the gap between now, and elite, but let's get this party started!

    For me, Bret's article was an absolute game-changer, piggybacking on Waterbury (daily training), and Thibaudeau (daily training). Of course I'm light years from elite, but I'm pointing in the direction of true North, to use an analogy.

    Since the article came out, I have worked up to 4-times a week squatting, plus one DL session, and 2 hip thrust sessions. My upper body work flows easily with an excited CNS, from the squats. I need less sleep, and I am recovering faster. My form is dialed in due to frequent repetition. I am making remarkable progress, and I'm not a young guy!

    Some days I go heavier, some days I just do a muscle memory check. On days when I don't squat, I feel my muscles nearly itching to get under the bar. Yes, I am getting a little dinged up, but it is surprising how much of that stuff can be trained through, and ameliorated actually with the frequency.

    I can see how even for average genetics me, this could progress to daily training, and then daily heavy training over time, if I stay patient, and don't overextend (always a challenge).

    Even if I'm not elite, this is a good launching pad to try to become more elite.

    All the best, Tony, and I hope this reads in the positive spirit that I intend.

  • Tony Gentilcore

    Great points on all front ladies and gents. Specifically, though, to Derrick – I TOTALLY see your point, and I LOVE it when people want to “up their game.” My only contention is that people tend to be a bit overzealous at times. I mean, I received like five emails from guys asking if they should squat everyday. Cool. But when you haven't squatted (correctly) in ten years, it's probably not a great idea. How about once per week, and lets go from there?

    Like you, I think Bret's article was fantastic, and I think it has a lot of applicability to a lot of people out there. But, as with anything, people need to know that there are certain steps/progressions to take to get from point A to point B.

    Nonetheless, it was just a quick rant on my part. I'm over it……;o)

  • http://IronBearFitness.blogspot.com Barney

    I do very well Squatting everyday with heavy (for me) weight but LESS then Max. Heavy is maybe 80 to 90% for those who think in percentages. I look at what Broz does and what almost everyone else does as two points on the same continuum. Also, I could kick the shit out of myself in the gym with Squats once a week when I was young and still grow. Now, at age 55, I'd just get myself hurt. However, I have tried the same thing with the Overhead press with not so good results. Heavy Pressing 3 times a week seemed about right for ME.

    Barney Shannon

    Everything Strength

  • http://IronBearFitness.blogspot.com Barney

    The fact that lifting must change throughout life keeps it exciting. :)

  • http://IronBearFitness.blogspot.com Barney

    It's like guys that read about Westside and go out and buy a bunch of chains without getting strong first. Makes no f*ckin sense! No more post .. I promise. lol

  • http://cultfit.org Jay

    Amen Brother!

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